9 Reasons Not To Join The United States Military

I served in the U.S. Air Force from 2000-2007. My AFSC was 3C0X1 (Communications computer systems operator). My highest rank was E-5 (Staff Sergeant), and I received an honorable discharge.

I separated because I realized nine things about the military that would have kept me from joining in the first place if I had known them in 1999. None of these reasons are derogatory towards the troops. All of these reasons have to do with how the military treats the troops unethically. The purpose of this essay isn’t to defame servicemen and women. The purpose is to raise awareness of how the military system treats its own.

1. The military is a death cult that brainwashes you.

The military is painstakingly designed around the cult model, and the two biggest red flags that the military is a cult are its unethical indoctrination process and totalitarian, pyramid shaped caste system. Other warning signs are the use of an inside language, in-group symbols, rituals, in-group socializing, constantly telling you that the military is your family, convincing you that military history is your history and other tactics that convince you to base your identity and purpose in life primarily on the military. Individually these practices aren’t necessarily sinister, but the military goes to extreme lengths to use every trick in the book every day to convince its members to base their identity on the in-group and devote their life to it. That’s what cults do, and the military does it better than anyone.

Again, I’m not saying this to attack the troops. I’m not saying, “You suck because you’re a brainwashed slave in a cult.” I’m saying this to raise objection to the military using unethical brainwashing techniques on its troops. This is a human rights violation on a mass scale, and the only reason the military isn’t shut down by the police for operating a death cult is because the military operates outside the law.

2. You’ll kill and possibly die to defend the very ideals you swore to fight against.


There’s no country in the world that wants to take away America’s freedoms. The only people in the world who want to take away Americans’ freedoms are the very politicians who every active duty soldier swears an oath of allegiance to, and our politicians have been very successful at taking away our freedoms, especially since September 11th, 2001.

America is no longer the land of the free, and it’s also no longer a representative democracy. It’s a corportocracy controlled by the rich, for the rich. America doesn’t even defend democracy abroad. America is the only country actively toppling democracies. Look it up. It’s not a conspiracy. It’s common knowledge.

If you join the United States military you won’t fight for truth, justice or freedom. You’ll fight for a government that crushes public dissent and locks up more people than any other country in the world in a for-profit prison system that uses inmates as slave labor. You won’t fight for peace. You’ll fight for a country that commits human rights violations, spies on its own citizens and locks up whistle blowers while protecting war criminals. You’ll fight for a country that destabilizes weaker countries to allow multinational businesses to fleece them out of their natural resources and outsource jobs to their sweatshops. The American military might fight against terrorism, but it also engages in terrorism and creates more terrorists every time it kills innocent civilians, which is almost every month.

There are no serious foreign threats to America’s way of life. Possibly the biggest threat to the average American’s quality of life is America’s own industrial war complex, which directs billions of tax dollars every year to killing goat herders while America’s schools crumble from lack of funding.

If you support America’s military mission, you won’t make the world a better place. In the end, your noble sacrifices will make the world a worse place, but don’t take my word for it. If you want to know what America’s military stands for, ask the good people of Diego Garcia.

3. The military cares about you the same way a slave owner cares about his slaves.

The military will convince you to love it so much you’ll get military tattoos, wear military-themed civilian clothing and yell at anyone who criticizes the military, but it doesn’t return that loyalty. Sure, the military gives its troops a lot of perks and bonuses, but like all other cults, the pampering stops the second you start questioning the organization.

If you don’t drink the Koolaid you’ll get thrown out in the streets for “failure to conform.” If you breach the military’s puritanical code of ethics the military won’t hesitate to throw the book at you as hard as possible to make an example of you. After you separate, you’ll get some veteran benefits, which sound good on paper, yet, but a veteran commits suicide literally every day, and most of America’s homeless population are veterans.

Soldiers are just numbers to the military. You’re just a social security number with an expiration date. If the military cared about you on a personal level, it wouldn’t have stripped you of all your legal rights and forced you to salute higher ranking humans. Nor would it have subjected you to constant mass punishments or tested drugs on you.

The military may be full of good people, but the system is soulless. It asks you to give everything and expect nothing. Yet it will turn against you, abandon you and use you at its mildest convenience.


4. You will lose almost all of your civil rights.

You’ll lose your freedom of speech and the right to assemble.

You’ll lose the right to work at, or even enter businesses the military disagrees with.

You won’t be able to quit your job when you’ve reached the point where you hate it or disagree with it.

Your home life will affect your work life. You can be demoted or even lose your job for legal trouble you get into on your private time.

There’s a legal limit to the type and amount of tattoos and piercings you can have.

You can’t wear clothing on base that isn’t PG-13.

You can’t make a private sex tape.

You can even get charged with destruction of government property for getting a sunburn on your day off.

You can theoretically go to jail for not doing a jumping jack, not buttoning your shirt, talking back to your boss, quitting your job, not taking your hat off when you go inside, walking on the grass and not saluting the flag or.

Also, Article 134 or the Uniform Code of Military Justice, anything can be considered against the law; someone in your chain of command just has to say whatever you did was bad, and that makes it officially against the rules:

“Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special, or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.“

You’ll lose many more rights listed in the Uniform Code of Military Justice that nobody will go out of their way to tell you about until after you’ve signed your soul away. And if you ever complain you’ll be told, “You knew exactly what you were getting into when you signed up.”

Individually, some of these points may seem trivial to you, but when you add them all up, the end result is that the government owns you completely. If you only want to do whatever the government allows you to, then you might not notice losing your freedom and dignity.

If you do value your rights and freedom, it will drive you crazy, knowing the military chain of command is holding a metaphorical gun to your head 24 hours a day, 365 days a year and forcing you to accept being treated like second class citizen.

Once you realize that you’re not fighting for anyone else’s freedoms and rights except the robber barons who own your corrupt politicians, the cost/benefit analysis of giving up your rights to a death cult that doesn’t care about you ceases to add up.

5. You will live in a caste system where your worth as a human being is determined by rank.

When you go through basic training you’ll be told that upon graduation you’ll become an adult. In fact, you’ll become more than an adult. you’ll become a member of the elite echelon of society, and your maturity and responsibility will make you superior to the petty, selfish, undisciplined civilian herd.

However, the reality of life in the military doesn’t  reflect the propaganda you’ll  be fed in basic training. The reality of your day to day life is comparable to what you experienced in high school. Everyone in the ranks between E-1 to E-4 are treated like high school students. The ranks of E-5 and E-6 are treated like teachers, and E-7 to E-9 are treated like school administrators.

When you wear the bottom four ranks you’ll be treated like children. Your superiors will look down on you, talk down to you, bully you and rub their rank in your face. you’ll be made to do menial chores and do the bulk of the work. you’ll be punished severely for any and every infraction possible. You’ll even be punished for things you didn’t do wrong, and you’ll have very little recourse to fight this, because your worth is based on your rank, and your rank is that of a slave.

When you reach the middle tier ranks you’ll finally be treated like a human being. Your job will mainly involve training the lower ranks and managing paperwork. you’ll be less accountable for your actions and will have comfortable leeway to bend the rules.

When you reach the top tiers of the enlisted pyramid you’ll become a figure head. you’ll spend most of your days doing paperwork and giving speeches. Since there are very few people above you to hold you accountable, and all of those people are in your club, you’ll be almost unaccountable for your actions and will have to seriously screw up to get in real trouble.

The power dynamic between the officer corps and the enlisted corps is comparable to slave owners and slaves. The slave owners are treated like gods and literally dine on golden plates under golden chandeliers. They have total power over the lower class and destroy their underlings lives with the snap of a finger. They’re trained to believe in their superiority and wear their arrogance on their sleeves. They’re less accountable for their actions. They’ll get in far less trouble for committing the same crimes as enlisted troops if they get in trouble at all. Being an officer is a very good life to have… and a very immoral one. It is an obsolete class structure that degrades the value of the lives of the human beings who wear enlisted ranks and directly contradicts the ideal of human equality.

This is a strange way to live, but other than being degrading to the lowest ranking troops, it might not seem like a compelling reason not to join the military. What new recruits need to be aware of is that after you’ve been indoctrinated to base your identity on your rank, that indoctrination doesn’t always go away after you leave the military. If you spend 4 years as a low ranking enlisted troop and then separate, you’re likely to go back out into the real world with a subservient mindset. But If you spend 4 years as an officer and then separate, you’re likely to go back out into the real world believing the human population is divided into those who deserve to be obeyed/served and those who deserve to obey/serve, and you’re one of the gods among men who deserve to be obeyed and served. These delusions of grandeur may feel empowering, but they’re indoctrinated insanity, and leaders who think this way tend to act more like dictators than mentors.

6. The benefits aren’t as good as you think.

Theoretically you’re supposed to get preference when applying for federal jobs. Sometimes you do, and sometimes you don’t. In the public sector, military experience can sometimes hurt your chances of getting hired, because many civilians see veterans as dumb grunts  with PTSD.

You won’t get much, if any, VA medical help unless you were injured while in the military or you retired through the military. Even then, the VA system is famous for being a nightmare. Don’t take my word for it. Visit a VA hospital before you join the military and see what you’re signing up for.

You can retire in 20 years, but a large portion of your paychecks in the military are made up of housing pay, cost of living adjustments and other side-benefits you don’t pay taxes on. This looks great at the time, but your retirement pay is based on your taxable income. For enlisted troops this is only enough to live well on in the Philippines.

The MGI Bill has finally become usable, and it’s a really good deal. The VA will also vouch for the down payment on your house, which is a really, really good deal. But no matter how good the monetary benefits of joining the military are, it’s still all blood money.

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7. Life in the military sucks…but don’t take my word for it.

I’m sorry that it has come to this- A soldier’s last words

The conversation about war and our veterans we refuse to have

One of many news reports about suicide in the military

A special report/feature about suicides by a military newspaper

Article about veterans struggling to get help for post traumatic stress disorder

A documentary about rape in the military

A military chat forum discussing how common sexual harassment is in the military

A blog about the serious flaws in the Marine Corps, written by Marine veterans 

The most gruesome moments in the CIA torture report

A good summary of what American soldiers are sent to fight for

A rant by an Army vet about how he lost faith in America’s military mission

8. Military culture is devolving into a maniacally politically correct, anal-retentive bureaucratic snow flake office Hell.

I’ll explain what life is like in the Air Force, and you can just subtract a few degrees for each of the other branches: Cussing at all is frowned up, and in a lot of offices it’s banned. The only kind of music you can listen to at work are Pop and Christian. You can’t make crude jokes. You can be court martialed for sexual harassment for saying the word, “vagina.” You can’t smoke anywhere but at isolated, designated smoking areas, and you can’t smoke at all on some bases. You can’t put your hands in your pockets. You can’t walk and talk on your cell phone. You can’t walk on the grass. You have to wear standard-issue reflective clothing when walking at night. You’ll get yelled at for wearing any article of civilian clothing on base that you wouldn’t wear to church. You generally have to act like Ned Flanders or you’ll get yelled at for being unprofessional… and you can theoretically go to jail and have the rest of your life destroyed with a dishonorable discharge if you don’t.

There is some validity to some of these rules, but when you add all of them up (and the many others not mentioned) and continue to make more and more rules that force everyone to act like a neutered youth pastors, you create an environment that’s less like the adventure advertised on recruiting commercials and more like the embodiment of everything the movie “Office Space” was satirizing.

People who can’t conform to that standard end up leaving the military willingly or unwillingly. Those who act the most whitewashed and sanitized rise to the top. So that’s who you work for, and that’s who you work with. That’s the environment you eat, sleep and breathe in. If the puritanical lifestyle appeals to you, and you don’t mind being complicit in the deaths of hundreds of civilians every year, then join the Air Force.

9. You’ll be indoctrinated with battered person syndrome.

“When Battered Person Syndrome (BPS) manifests as PTSD, it consists of the following symptoms: (a) re-experiencing the battering as if it were recurring even when it is not, (b) attempts to avoid the psychological impact of battering by avoiding activities, people, and emotions, (c) hyperarousal or hypervigilance, (d) disrupted interpersonal relationships, (e) body image distortion or other somatic concerns, and (f) sexuality and intimacy issues.

Additionally, repeated cycles of violence and reconciliation can result in the following beliefs and attitudes:

  • The abused thinks that the violence was his or her fault.
  • The abused has an inability to place the responsibility for the violence elsewhere.
  • The abused fears for his/her life and/or the lives of his/her children (if present).
  • The abused has an irrational belief that the abuser is omnipresent and omniscient.

The syndrome develops in response to a three-stage cycle found in domestic violence situations. First, tension builds in the relationship. Second, the abusive partner releases tension via violence while blaming the victim for having caused the violence. Third, the violent partner makes gestures of contrition. However, the partner does not find solutions to avoid another phase of tension building and release so the cycle repeats. The repetition of the violence despite the abuser’s attempts to “make nice” results in the abused partner feeling at fault for not preventing a repeat cycle of violence. However, since the victim is not at fault and the violence is internally driven by the abuser’s need to control, this self-blame results in feelings of helplessness rather than empowerment. The feeling of being both responsible for and helpless to stop the violence leads in turn to depression and passivity. This learned depression and passivity makes it difficult for the abused partner to marshal the resources and support system needed to leave.” (Source: Wikipedia)

This is how the military conditions you to see the world, except the military no longer physically beats the troops. They can accomplish the same result without leaving a physical mark by yelling, threatening, publicly shaming, imprisoning you, giving you additional duties and paper work. If all else fails they can send you to remedial military training to reinforce your “military bearing,” which is an unambiguous form of brainwashing used by cults to re-orientate their victim’s identity on the in-group.

The end result is that you’ll feel guilty for breaking meaningless rules, and you’ll attack anyone else you see breaking meaningless rules. And any time anyone criticizes your masters or their agenda you’ll defend them to the death oblivious to the fact that you’re defending your abuser and attacking anyone who tries to free you from the abuser who has manipulated you into celebrating and defending your own oppression.

My responses to common criticisms of this essay:

1. The military is not a cult! I served in the military and never knew anyone who was brainwashed!

There’s no point arguing whether or not the military is a cult without referencing a checklist of cult practices. Read any book on cults and brainwashing techniques. The more you know about cults, brainwashing techniques and military culture, customs and courtesies the more obvious it will be that the military is deliberately designed using every mind control technique used by cults.

2. You were in the Air Force and never saw combat. So you don’t know what you’re talking about.

You can say I’m not a hero because I never saw combat, and I won’t argue with that. But my role in the military has no bearing on whether or not the military is a cult. It has no bearing on the fact that the United States government has consistently eliminated more and more rights of its citizens, spied on on its citizens, persecuted whistle blowers, knowingly killed civilians and committed deliberate war crimes and crimes against humanity. These are all facts that can be verified by anyone, even people who never served in the military or saw combat at all.

3. You were probably just a dirt bag Airman who wasn’t cut out for the military, and that’s why you’re bitter and wrong about everything.

I was a student leader (green rope) in tech school. I received many awards and squadron coins. I was told on many occasions that I was “a credit to myself and the United States Air Force.” I was frequently put in leadership positions above my pay grade. I wasn’t the most gung-ho super troop, but I was a model troop. So if you’re going to base the truth of my words on the quality of my character, then you should believe what I have to say about the United States military. But you don’t have to take my word on anything. Do your own research, and you’ll find everything I’ve said here is true, and it still would be even if I was a dirt bag Airman, which I wasn’t.

4. All the questionable training methods and rules the military has are necessary, because they weed out the weak and prepare the strong for war. At worst, it’s a necessary evil, but it keeps you free. So enjoy your self-righteous freedom to whine on the internet while real men keep you safe. 

No sane person would charge a beach under heavy gunfire, but somebody theoretically has to do it. So the military takes sane civilians and reprograms their minds to turn them into zealous, suicidal killers, and it does this using the exact same brainwashing techniques used by death cults. This is illegal to do to anyone else, and it’s still unethical when the U.S. government does it legally. I can accept that it requires extreme training techniques to prepare soldiers for the extreme stresses of war. What I can’t accept is the military lying to recruits, telling them basic training will turn them into self-actualized adults, when it’s specifically designed to break their sanity and take away their identity and free will.

The argument that misleading and brainwashing volunteers is a necessary evil that has to take place in order to keep the rest of the American population free, doesn’t apply when the American government keeps taking away its citizens’ freedom and privacy. Worse than that, it keeps passing more laws that make it harder for the poor to have a decent quality of life. If Americans were truly free, they would have the freedom to decide if they want their tax dollars spent on brainwashing soldiers or endless wars, but Americans don’t have that choice. They have to pay their taxes and fund the industrial war complex or go to jail. If they protest against it, they’ll be spied on, and if their protest is too successful, they’ll go to jail. People are free to criticize the government some times in some ways, but journalists who report criminal activity committed by the American government are routinely jailed. That’s not freedom of speech.

The problem isn’t that I don’t appreciate the sacrifices soldiers have made to protect my freedoms. The problem is that my freedoms are being whittled away despite the sacrifices of soldiers. If you support the troops, then you shouldn’t get mad at me for pointing out that the American government is systemically corrupt and manipulates its soldiers into believing they’re defending freedom when they’re really defending corruption. If you support the troops, then get mad at the government that’s making a mockery of its soldiers’ sacrifices.

5. I was in the military, and I enjoyed it. Plus I got paid well and learned valuable job skills. Hence, the military is good.

The fact that you enjoyed the military and got a lot out of it doesn’t change the fact that the military is a cult that treats its own troops in ways that are illegal to treat anyone else. The benefits any troops do get out of the military are still stained with the shame of the rights American citizens have lost and the blood of the civilians the American government has killed.

6. Anyone who criticizes the military is a pussy.

Calling someone you don’t agree with a pussy isn’t an argument. It’s a gut reaction. The topic of how the military industrial complex manipulates and uses the troops is too important to end with a gut reaction. If there’s any chance that anything I said here is true, it deserves serious, soul-searching thought. Refusing to consider opposing points of view isn’t brave or mature, and it doesn’t do the people whose freedoms you think you’re killing and dying for any favors.

The problem here isn’t that I need to stop being a pussy and shut up. At the very least, the problem is that the U.S. military should be more transparent.

7. I can’t believe what a crazy conspiracy theorist the author of this post is. His ideas are unbelievably wacko.

If you read through the comments on this post, you’ll see dozens of veterans and active duty service members saying this post echos their experience, and I’ve received a lot of E-mails from veterans and active duty service members thanking me for articulating what they’ve been thinking but couldn’t say, because it’s illegal for them to speak unflatteringly about the military even if it’s true. Either all of these people came up with the same conspiracy theories independently, or they’re not conspiracy theories. They’re the elephant in the room.

8. I’m currently active duty, and my indoctrination has worn off. I’ve see the military for the death cult it is, and now I’ve lost my esprit de corps and military bearing. I want to get out, but I’m locked in a contract. How do I make it through the rest of my time knowing what I know? 

It’s frustrating living in the military, seeing it for what it is. Everywhere you look you see reminders of the ever-present creepy cult thing they’ve got going on. And the more aware you are of the fact that you’re not fighting for freedom, the more pointless and dirty the whole charade feels. If you think about it too much, quitting in protest starts to seem like the right thing to do, but the only thing that will change, is screwing up the rest of your life.

Talking to anyone in your chain of command about these feelings is the second worst thing you can do. All of your coworkers have been programmed to react with extreme prejudice when they hear the cult doctrine questioned. Doing so will only frustrate you and your coworkers, which can lead to you being ostracized, criticized, disciplined, dishonorably discharged and ruing your military job references.

You’re a prisoner who needs to cope with being in prison. The best thing you can do is keep your back straight, your mouth shut, and go through the motions on autopilot until the clock winds down. Become a shadow on the wall. Go to your happy place in your mind during work hours, and use your military vocabulary when people talk to you. Be as zen and as patient as you can, and leave Murder Inc. on good terms.

On a side note, when you go back out into the civilian world, the sergeants you’ve worked for will be your only job references, and 10 years from now, they’re still going to be your job references. Pick your favorite sergeant, and groom them to be your job reference. Do extra things for that person, and stay in contact with them. You’ll need to know what their new phone number is 10 years from now.

Keep up the good fight. If you want to ease your conscience, I suggest finding something productive to do to raise awareness of the moral corruption in the military. It’s not legal for you to speak publicly now, but you can be working on something before you get out. Then you’ll have something fresh to share as soon as you’re free. Alternatively, if you meet troops who see the light, share my blogs with them to help them confirm and articulate their suspicions that something’s not right.

However you felt about this blog, you’ll probably feel the same way about these:

Whether you agree or disagree with me, I encourage you to leave a comment. I don’t censor people who disagree with me. However, if your comment includes personal attacks or insults, your comment will be deleted.

230 responses to “9 Reasons Not To Join The United States Military

  • Anonymous

    A wife of a Army solider my husband is a E4 and your right.The Army is allowing his staff Sargent treat him like crap.And that’s the problem he isn’t being the robot they want him to be. With my husband havin a family he decided to reinlist for two more years until he got his degree. His Staff Sargent acted like he made a mistake and his work never giving him a article 15 she just belittled him every change she got and barred his reinlistment with it now waiting on the commander decision?


  • Donny Johnson

    Yea the military blows but then about every other job does when you are 18 except in the military you get to do crap you would have never been able to do any place else. The reality of being an enlisted cat is for the most part you come from either a poor family or a working class family. Your options are limited, your parents are not going to pay for you to go to collage and every factory within a 100 miles of your home is closed or not hiring, undocumented workers have sucked up all of the residential construction jobs and the last commercial buildings constructed in your town were a Dollar Store and a drug rehab center. On top of that the politicians have destroyed most labor unions ensuring the jobs that do exist for guys like you pay shit and have few benefits and zero job security. This reality is how you know the guy writing the story is full of shit. Most guys don’t join the military when they have a bunch of life choices, they join because their opportunities have been greatly limited due to economic policy.

    Another reality is until the military draft is reintroduced politicians could care less if your civilian life improves. As long as they can ensure that the lives of the poor and working class sucks they can ensure that poor and working class kids fill the ranks of the military. That way the sons and daughters of the upper middle class and wealthy who are busy protesting the amount of money their parents pay to keep them in university aren’t compelled to join the military and go into harms way. It will also ensure that the sons and daughters of the poor and working class will always serve the the upper middle class and wealthy as they will always have a leg up. This is why the upper middle class and wealthy so strongly oppose GI Bill educational benefits.

    Yeah the military sucks but as we said who else is going to let a 18 year old sign off a $37 million dollar aircraft safe for flight?


  • Guardian77

    I have been considering join the military but I’m not sure what branch is the best for my, since I have family and I’m over 30’s and under 35’s. I have read the entire article and from now I’m confused about if this is really true or its a complete exageration. I think join the military is the best option to serve our country, studying college and earn great skills and enough money to live. But is it really necessary to sacrifice our family to receive that?. I’m confused, but any advice or true experience will be very appreciated.


  • Ian

    While I don’t necessarily disagree with you on each of your points, I think you exaggerate the situation. All of the things you said do have some merit but I don’t necessarily agree with the conclusion you’ve come to. There are bad people in the military and the system has its flaws but I would argue that it’s certainly much better than it used to be and does a lot to be better than it could be.


  • Cris

    I’m writing this sitting in a drop zone getting rained on, all I can think about is how right you are. In the army they don’t call it brain washing, they say “soldierization” process. I’ve been in for a few years and have completely lost my “hooah” attitude. This shit sucks and has made my depression and anxiety so much worse since I joined, I can’t wait to get out but I’m scared. I have nothing else this mos doesn’t translate to the civilian sector. So I’m gonna be a veteran soon and I’m scared I’m gonna be a homeless veteran


  • Nathan Guice

    Maybe you’re right about your claims. I was told I’d be brainwashed back in 2000, before I was shipped off to basic training. I think maybe I’m still brainwashed, because I’m always thinking about what my life would be like if I were still in the Army. I can’t seem to move on with my life. Maybe this is what cults do? Civilian life and military life are polar opposites. The military way of life controls everything about you, while civilian life leaves the control up to you. I can’t turn the military switch off, I feel completely dependant on it, despite being separated from the army for nine years now.


  • Doesnt matter

    During tech school in the air force i tried to commit suicide after being threatened with remedial bmt for falling asleep in class. Wtf i was so terrified of reliving the hazing i thought i would never experience again that id rather die. I was told i ruined my life and career and id never make it in civilian life afterwords. I have no positive memories of my experience and still have nightmares occasionally. I always felt so guilty for the way i got out but i realize i never would hve been happy because i felt like a caged animal. The punishments dont fit the “crimes” in the military.


  • Anonymous

    The airforce is the chillest but yall make it harder than it has to be (pogs) im in the infantry and we treat everyone like a man no mass pumishment if you fuck up your getting fucked up which working out is way better than getting fired because i would of been fired countless of times it is giving me good life lessons its what your leadership makes it is what im seeing but i havent been in long only 2 years maybe im just brain washed but im glad im making mistakes here than out there


  • David Urrutia-barbosa

    Every single thing you have said I have felt and experienced as an E-3 corpsman in the navy. Most of what I read has legit brought a tear down my eye. My wife knows the mental abuse I receive on a day to day basis also seeing that I openly oppose the military almost every time I come in to work I know what it stands for now an I’m not with it anymore I’ve only been in for 2 years but god damn if that’s all the time I need to see how skewed this system was and how it was set up to use me than that’s saying something. From the start I was lied to my recruiter told me you go from e-1 to 0-10 and seeing how I knew nothing about the military I believed them but you are right in their eyes you are just a number and you aren’t a human being so they don’t feel like they are fucking with anybody else’s lives. I will continue to fight this crooked ass system that was set in place for me with and understanding that change is slow and always will be but I will fight back until they kill me


  • Bob lee swagger

    The Army is not a cult..but it’s definitely not what it’s supposed to be. In a perfect world we wouldn’t need an army. They are only there to protect us. But the US army is ran by corporations and that’s where the brain washing comes in. These men and women join the army thinking they are fighting a war against terrorism. Meanwhile it’s those men and women themselves who are the terrorist. Going into other people’s country and killing and destroying there land. And why?? Because they are brain washed. We should only have an army to DEFEND against attacks. Which means every army should be in there OWN country. I feel bad for the future…wait until China and Russia decide that it’s time to step in on Americas “corporate” plan


  • Victor vasquez

    I am actually panamanian, and i served in our local public force(we supposedly we dont have an standing army in Panama but we do have infantry courses with light and multipurpose machine guns including the m60 and the m249, for me thats a military) even though i have enjoyed my time in the armed forced, i noticed that when i served as a diplomatic liason, specially when i developed a friendship with US servicemember theh told me that they were unhappy and theh felt as a object, i now and is also valid here that some civil rights are given up when you enlist, because i was no longer able to have any endorsement to a political party, neither have a personal opinion in regarding politics etc, the only thing you had a right on was on religion and the right to vote but thats about it, i am actually surprised that for a bad sunburn on your OWN body you will be charged with destruction of goverment property i cant still belive it


  • LJon

    I am Officer in the Army Reserves and tired of the mindless crap. There has been no value added skills gained from anything. Other than travelling, I can say it has reached it’s peak. I am bored and could care less. But me, I am an adult and have other stuff to do out there, so I don’t care about retirement or anything else. I see so much dumb ass on both sides; the enlisted and officer, who don’t improve themself, hoping to be taken care of, when they get out.

    I had my degrees before I got in and use my 911 to get certifications. Now I am just ready to bounce.


  • Shan

    Thank you so much for this! I have been feeling like wtf did I join since I got to my first base and this article has given me a sigh of relief.


  • Jon Jenkins

    I was in the U.S. Air Force myself and it was a horrible experience. I remember BMT very clearly and that was when I realized I had joined a cult. I was in training during the Lackland AFB sex scandal; you know when all those poor female trainees were assaulted or raped…yeah that place was hell. My TI was Staff Sergeant Kwinton Estacio, who was arrested and court martialed for assaulting young women shortly after I had left basic. This was a big eye opener for me because this man I remember, was always putting trainees down; however he is assaulting unwilling young female trainees behind closed doors.

    Bottom line…the military is a very bad decision. The pay is shit, the benefits are not worth it, they control every move you make, they control when you get married, they treat you like dog shit…and the list goes on. You have to put in at least 10-11 years enlisted before you even match the pay of a 2nd LT, which I may add is a nervous college grad who has no clue how to lead most the time. I actually make what a Lt. Col makes now mowing peoples’ lawns under the table, plus I don’t have to pay the taxes to fund bombs that kill innocent children.

    I only respect our troops on an individual level, but I do not respect the military establishment they serve. I respect them as people for fighting for what they were brainwashed to believe. I will say this though troops…GET THE HELL OUT CAUSE YOU ARE GETTING RIPPED OFF!


  • Ariel P.

    I know America(USA) is evil and probably run by Satan, but I need a way to get into college. I’ve heard that the armed forces pays for college, and I want to become a Veterinarian.
    Should I enlist for college and chase my passion?


    • Donny Johnson

      No, you should buy lottery tickets until that ticket hits and that way you will be able to afford the 8 years of education required to be a animal doctor.

      Do you have any other options, didn’t think so. Chances are if you are asking yourself these questions you will be miserable in the military, you will hang out with other cats who are miserable and it will ensure that all of your time will be miserable. You might as well grow some dreads, get a chunk of cardboard and a felt tip pen and beg in a Kroger parking lot.


  • Anonymous

    I’m joining soon but not for the reason to kill people but to protect and follow my family’s foot step my grandpa served my uncle served and I want to bc I feel like I can get some were in life by it .. I’ve been talked down to my hole life by people . I was in rotc and my rank when I go in will be a E3 I’ll be on good termed with the people but I refuse to lose my peronalry and who u am as a person .

    I feel like I’m making the right chose but my reson for going in is
    1.to protect
    2.To see the would and travel
    3. Follow in my anseters foot step
    4. Make something off my self
    5.Show all the assholes who have put me down beet me up that I am some one and worth something
    6. Rub my sugges in the people’s who told me that I’m no one and I Will be no were in life that I would end up a loser and a nobody
    7. Make my dad proud he’s hard to please and that all I’ve ever want was to please him and I feel like becoming a militant will show him I did make something of my self
    8. Make my self proud

    That’s my reson for wanting to join ya I’ll feel bad for killing someone but if I have to do it to serve I’ll do it and I’ll pray to god that he’ll for give me

    I’m 17 and I have a year till I in list
    I don’t want to hurt people
    I’m going for a good reson

    Why did u join? and thanks for you services I’m greatful for it.


    • Jon Jenkins

      I would not do it my friend. I am telling you it is not worth it. Find something you love and make a business out of it. You are gonna make way more money and actually have the freedom to enjoy it.

      Don’t let what other people think of you influence your decisions. That includes family as well, you got to live with yourself, not them.

      I wish you best of luck in whatever you do, I just wouldn’t do the military…its just a bad idea.


    • Donny Johnson

      I joined because everyone I knew was going to prison and I watched a movie with James Cahn called “Cinderella Liberty” and hookers, dive sailor bars, and getting away from my home town looked like a good idea to me.

      In reality my time as an enlisted guy gave me time to grow up without the influence of every day criminals which I was surrounded by. The camaraderie was the single most important thing to me and something I will never forget. Most of the cats you will be friends with in the military will, without hesitation, catch a bullet with your name on it and you will be willing to do the same for them. If not you won’t last.


  • Will

    100% true. And as a “Battlefield Airman” (who has deployed and done the deal if that matters) I still see the idea of “the rules being in place to weed out the weak and create true warfighters” is completely invented. It has been well proven that the best fighting men (and women) are those with strong personal reasoning and judgement. Army Special Forces has embraced the empowered individual theory and it is clearly proven to work far better than the unempowered caste system you describe. How does getting reamed for small and completely useless infractions help me fight? It doesn’t. We claim to train smart individuals…..and we do, but what on earth is the point when our best technically trained individuals cant make decisions because of their place on the totem pole. It frustrates me because the US military has by far the best funding in the world and access to an amazing population of intelligent, talented and motivated individuals. But oh how we squander it. We can be so much better and deserve so much better


  • Anonymous

    Man im so glad you put this out there. Im coming up on 6 yrs in AF and honestly i couldnt be any happier getting back to my normal family and life. Thanks again i enjoyed this post. Any advice for the last year? Ive been getting alot of fire becauze everyone knows i wont re enlist so now im getting treated like the ugly duckling.


    • wise sloth

      You’re the third person who has asked me how to cope with waiting to get out of the military after you stopped drinking the Kool-Aid. So I added 6 paragraphs to the end of this blog address it.


  • David Ramos ssg

    I saw a video called beyond treason and this video without any doubt explains how our military executive leadership with criminal intent uses drugs to destroy our military and then covers it up calling it gulf war syndrome


  • Yves F83

    Its true, its all true. And if you get mad and/or uneasy when you read this, its your gut telling you its true.

    A veteran.


  • Ash

    It gives me hope to see other free and critical minds.
    Well done on writing such a fine and honest article.


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