My agnostic theory on why God is so cruel

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As an agnostic, I find enough evidence in the physical universe to leave a reasonable doubt that some force may exist somewhere out there that fits some definition of the word, God. This leaves me in a position to wonder why a God, even a vaguely defined, theoretical one, would allow so much suffering in the world it created.

I’ve heard high school aged anti-theists say they don’t believe in God because no God would be as cruel as the one in the Bible. This is a logical fallacy. I’m convinced that all the religions invented by our ancestors are mythologies that have stayed on the shelf past their expiration date. Any stories of God murdering “His” chosen people’s enemies are just more evidence religion is mythology.

It could be true that God exists and religion is mythology. It could also be true that God is just cruel. The existence of pain and suffering in the real world doesn’t mean there is no God. Whether or not you like something has no bearing on whether or not it’s true. If god is cruel though, it brings us back to the question, why does God allow child cancer, abject poverty and war crimes to exist?

Personally, I find it hard to resent the theoretical creator of the universe for all the suffering in the world, because if God is truly omnipotent and omniscient, then that means God knows and experiences everything that happens. If that’s true, then God has experienced every drop of pain that has ever happened: every shooting, every beating, every disease, every tear.

If that’s true, then God hasn’t just experienced every instance of human pain. God has experienced it for every other living thing to ever exist. If God was looking through the eyes of every animal that ever got torn to shreds, then the question, “Why does God let bad things happen?” becomes, “Why would God go through all the pain in the universe to bring us here in the first place?”

The same concept might also be a little bit true even if there is no God. If the universe is all that exists, then life is the universe incarnate. Our blood and tears are the universe’s. So why would the universe sublimate life, if it meant damning itself to every ounce of pain that has or will ever exist?

The thing about questions is, God doesn’t answer them. The only way humans have ever gotten any answers to any questions is by studying the data they have and asking themselves the questions.

I don’t know how or why the universe was created the way it was. All I can do is look at what’s here and try to connect some dots. I know in this universe, there exists elegance in nature, consciousness, pain and happiness. I know I value my life, and I was born with the ability to hope, love, want, cry, play, create, and above all, be.

So immediately, I have to give credit where credit is due. I couldn’t say any of that without existing in God’s Matrix in the first place. So any whining I do is from an ivory tower. Even though humans have experienced unspeakable misery on this planet, we were given the tools to make life better. We were given hands, eyes, bi-pedal legs, opposable thumbs, and most importantly, brains more powerful than any supercomputer.  We were not left alone to die in the rain. We were given everything we need to create a world where joy eclipses sorrow. We’ve just chosen to use our gifts to hurt each other. So when I see pictures of corpses of children riddled with bullets, I feel ashamed to blame the same higher power that gave us everything we need to end those atrocities.

It doesn’t take a psychologist to figure out joy is relative to pain, or a poet to observe that “the summer would not be so sweet were it not for the winter.” The bigger question is, is the cumulative pain of every living creature in history worth the joy of existence? If the math didn’t add up, I couldn’t imagine life would exist in a universe as mathematical as ours.

There’s nothing illogical about how this universe operates. If things like death, suffering and quantum physics seem illogical to us, it’s just because the universe is smarter than us. We can’t answer the question, “Why would God be so cruel?” because we don’t know shit about shit. One thing we do know about the universe, is that the universe operates according to brilliantly logical mathematical equations that create perfectly operating universe’s, planets, atoms and subatomic particles. So, if all that stuff is working so brilliantly, and suffering is part of that design, then maybe suffering is as necessary as gravity.

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10 responses to “My agnostic theory on why God is so cruel

  • And The Truth Is

    Well God is very CRUEL for not giving me a wife and family.

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  • And The Truth Is

    God is a very evil bastard for Not giving a Good man like me a Good wife and family that i always wanted to have since he has given it to so many Billions of other people in this world. And didn’t God say that man Should Not be alone? Well i do certainly agree as well. But then again just look at so many pathetic low life loser women that God really created these days which they’re certainly a real Total Disaster today which is why many of us Good men are still Single now and we really Can’t even blame ourselves at all since it does really Take Two To Tango.

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  • Anonymous

    God is extremely evil. God is just as evil as all the abusive parents and other horrible people. God predestined the fall of man for his glory, which led to everyone being born sinful and certain people being born evil. Then god has an elect. Not to mention god predestined people to hell for his glory. You don’t have to be a murderer or a rapist to be predestined to hell. It can be any sin. If you’re not his elect, he will reprobate people to throw them in hell. I have heard stories of people doing sins that weren’t rape or murder, and God still reprobates them. He reprobates people who are evil on the inside, but don’t bother people, even though he technically caused them to be evil. You can love god and he will still throw you in Hell, without pity. God laughs at certain people’s calamity. God also will tell people not to pray for certain people. God is cruel and selfish!

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    • wise sloth

      The God you’re describing is similar to the one describe in the mythologies our ancestors invented. Just because the religions of our ancestors are mythologies and their description of God is the product of their imagination doesn’t mean that there could still be some intelligent creative force in the universe that doesn’t think and act like a primitive human.

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    • Anonymous

      There are several different possibilities here.

      My current opinion is that if God happens to exists, he/she cannot be BOTH almighty and a loving God.

      If God is almighty, then he/she is at least partly evil, because there is huge amount of suffering in the world.

      If God is fully loving and good, then he/she is not fully almighty, again because there is huge amount of suffering in the world. This is an interesting possibility and raises its own questions.

      If situation is like that, is there perhaps eternal fight going on between good and bad ? Or eternal 3 side fight going on between good and bad and simple unconscious dummy natural events ?

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  • d jones

    I got tired of trying to make sense of it. If God wanted us to love, worship him, he makes it very difficult to do so.

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    • wise sloth

      If God exists, I’m not convinced God wants us to love and worship Him/Her/It. That doesn’t really do either of us any good. Good human parents don’t sit around fretting about their kids worshiping them. They just want their kids to be the best people they can be for themselves. By becoming their best self, they justify their parents having them. I don’t see any reason why a theoretical God wouldn’t have the same parental viewpoint.

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  • Linda Gerstmann

    Travis; If I was born into a world where all these confusing religions didn’t exist, and I was given the freedom to draw my own conclusions, I would probably deduce that there is a creator or creators of some sort, but that he/she/it/they are sort-of like the nutty professor and humans are a failed experiment. And is not at all interested in being worshipped. And is probably not all that interested in us. Which would explain why we were left to stew in our own juices.

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  • Michael E. Henderson

    I’m surprised at your conclusion and the “theory” you hold.

    There is no way to prove that a god exists, and there is no way to prove that one does not exist. Very little is ever proved with 100% certainty, even in science. Some things can be proved, but most scientific “facts” are simply experimental outcomes consistent with the prediction of a hypothesis. I can prove that pure water boils at 100 degrees Celsius at one atmosphere, but I can only guess at the origin of the universe based on observation.

    The real question is not whether there is or is not a god. This is unknowable without an actual appearance. The question is first, is a god necessary?

    The more we know about the physical world, the less necessary a god becomes. When we knew nothing, and we looked at ourselves, the stars, and everything around us, the easiest explanation was that a god or gods did it.

    We first assigned spirits and human characteristics to all objects. Then we had gods for everything. A god of war, a god of the seas, the god of fire, etc. Then it was decreed that there was only one god who did everything. Which system is better? Which makes more sense?

    But now we know what the stars are, how they formed, and what their life cycle is. We know how babies come into being. We understand diseases and how (largely) to control them. Each bit of knowledge we gain chisels away at the need for there to be a god to explain the world.

    The next question is, what evidence is there of a god or gods? Originally, we saw the evidence to be our very existence. But now that can be explained without a god. So, is there any evidence outside of that? For example, is there any evidence that prayer accomplishes anything? There have been studies done that suggest that a patient does not improve by prayer. Every once in a while a story crops up where parents do not seek medical treatment for a sick child, but pray for its deliverance. They believe in an interventionist god with every fiber of their being, yet the child dies.

    I submit that you will find no evidence of the existence of any god.

    Without evidence of a thing, and without a need for the thing, then what is the basis for suggesting that the thing exists? It becomes purely a product of the imagination, which is what all gods are.

    As to the purpose of the universe, why does it need one? Just as if the conditions are right water must boil, when the conditions were right the universe had to come into being. It has no purpose.

    What purpose does man have? He has the same purpose as does the lowest creature: to preserve and perpetuate the species. That’s it. To assume that a god has a special plan for you or for mankind is an arrogant figment of the imagination.

    Now, look at the problems in the world. Every single one of them can be tied to our desire to survive and to reproduce our own kind; our own tribe. All wars and all atrocities stem directly from tribalism, which is a mechanism for survival, which is a mechanism for reproduction.

    Even the atheist cannot say “there is no god.” All an atheist can say is that since there is no need of and no evidence for gods, I do not believe in any gods.

    You, my friend, are an atheist. Why are you afraid to say it?

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